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RELIGION:
This is a biggie, a big, BIG biggie!
Lord save us from religion.
We need freedom of religion and freedom from religion.
Keep religion out of government! Totally! Absolutely!
Separation of the church and the state.…..
Render unto Caesar….
People should get their religion from the church of their choice, not their government, not their
political party, and not their public schools. And not their civil calendar.
Religion is a personal thing. Let each person be free to choose whatever religion they think is
right for them, just as long as they and their church do not infringe upon the rights of anyone else.
No one has the right to impose their religious beliefs on anyone else!!!
Take note Christian fundamentalists! Take note Muslim fundamentalists! Jews too.
Freedom of religion is a basic human right.
Freedom of religion requires freedom from religion.
Freedom from religion requires separation of the church and the state.
Freedom of religion means that you are free to choose what you want to believe and what you do
not want to believe. No one else, no preacher, rabbi, nor ayatollah, can tell you what you must
believe or not believe, or what you must do or not do, based on their religion. In other words, in
order to have freedom of religion you must also have freedom from religion. Therefore, freedom
from religion is also a basic human right.
Everyone has the right to be totally free of religious impositions.!!!
In order for you to have freedom from religion, there must be separation of the church and the
state. This is just a statement of the obvious but it needs to be stated. (Some people are
oblivious to the obvious.) Therefore, separation of the church and the state is also a basic
human right!
No government has the right to impose religion on anyone (or to violate any or
their other human rights)!!!
See: http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html for a list of UN human rights.
Also see: http://www.hrweb.org/legal/undocs.html
For the U.S. Constitution and it's Amendments see: www.usconstitution.net/const.html
And, unless the state can accommodate everyone's religious opinions, including Atheist's,
Muslim's, Satanist's, and Pagan's, then it should cater to none. In other words, the state
governing process should be completely devoid of religious considerations!!!
Let all of the churches conform to the laws of the state, not vice versa. Render unto Caesar...
Also, let all of the congregations of all of the churches conform to the laws of the state.
Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's.
What this means for congregations is, God may own your soul but your body belongs to Caesar,
and your body better do whatever Caesar says. The state takes precedence over God and
church as long as you are alive.
Churches and their clergy must be barred from politics and from government.
Churches and their clergy must be barred from making political contributions.
Clergy must be barred from holding public office, both elected and appointed.
Churches, clergy and their congregations must obey all civil laws.
Churches must not deny anyone of their freedom of religion or freedom of speech.
Churches and their clergy shall not deny women, or anyone, of any of their human rights.
Clergy who preach civil disobedience should be fined or arrested.
Clergy who preach, aid or abet terrorism should be arrested for terrorism.
Clergy who espouse holy murders, holy wars or any other holy violence, should be arrested.
Churches must not sanction the mutilation of women.
Churches must not sanction murders, terrorism, holy wars, or any other violence.
Churches must not have armed forces - militia, death squads, assassins, terrorists...
Clerics must not have armed forces - ...
Churches and their clergy must not have weapons.
Churches must not have religious police or religious vigilantes.
Churches and their clergy must not have any civil authority whatsoever. (Well, maybe
weddings are OK.)
Talk about your human rights, freedom from religion should be right up there near the top, right
after slavery.
Religious freedom is a basic human right and separation of the church and the state is required
for that freedom to exist.
The United States should champion that human right and, therefore, the worldwide
separation of the church and the state.
We should start off by amending our own constitution to explicitly require the separation of the
church and the state.
There will never be world peace without first having worldwide religious freedom
and separation of the church and the state!!!
Given all of the above, we should take religion out of our politics, our government, and our
schools, ie:
their religious beliefs on anyone else. It bears repeating.
If you want to keep school prayer, then you have to accommodate everyone's religious point of
view, including atheists. Muslims, Satanists... Its either that or you must declare a state religion.
Christian worship?
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Re Muslims:
Talking about church evils, "holy war" has to be the mother of all oxymorons. The same for
"religious terrorism", "religious murders", or any other "religious violence".
It wasn't nice when the Christians were doing it, and it certainly is not nice now when the Islamics
still do it.
There must be many good Muslims, right? But how come they are not vocal and actively
condemning Muslim suicide bombers and other Muslim terrorists who are killing innocent men,
women and children, in the name of Allah? Why are they not condemning:
their existence, otherwise we are left to conclude that there are no good Muslims, that all Muslims
are intolerant, violent, fanatics that threaten our freedom of religion, our democracy and our very
existence, and, therefore, need to be suppressed or at least contained.
Are they afraid to speak up? That would be truly sad. (But I think it might be true.)
Please speak up, loud and clear and often.
Does the Koran preach violence? Google Koran violence.
Are all infidels prey for Moslems? Google Koran violence.
Is Allah an evil god? Google Koran violence.
Are all Muslims our enemy? I don't think so, but how can you tell a good Muslim from a bad
Muslim? They both look similar. They both go to the same church. They don't wear uniforms.
They don't wear badges.
Koran and most especially from the Bad Muslims. They should not let themselves be mistaken
for Bad Muslims. But you know, I don't think they can quit Islam without violating the Koran and
provoking the wrath of the Bad Muslims, with very dire consequences. Same for speaking up
against the Koran or Islam. Oh hell. It's an impossible problem to solve without more violence.
Maybe if they work for reform from within Islam... But how can you propose fixing the Koran or
Islam without first saying that it is flawed and needs fixing??? If you badmouth either the Koran or
Islam, its off with your head! If you disavow Islam or join another church, its off with your head!
You can't even become an atheist without loosing your head.
violence. All of the Good Muslims should get together and start a church reform
movement (or a schism), a reformation that denounces and forbids all religious
violence, and that affirms all of the UN human rights, especially freedom of
speech and religion, the separation of the church and the state, and the
emancipation of women.
violence in all of its forms, and endorse all of the UN specified human rights, especially the
separation of the church and the state, i.e. they should -
ban all clerics from politics and government.
All churches should do this, (especially Islam), formally, at media events so that the whole world
will know.
Bad Muslims say: "If you don't believe in Allah, I will kill you." (The ultimate religious imposition.)
Violence for the sake of God is both ludicrous and obnoxious. I'm sure God would agree...
Religious violence is the opposite of what a kind, loving, benevolent god would want.
Violence for the sake of an imaginary god is even more ludicrous and more obnoxious.
A violent church is an evil church.
Religious violence is abhorrent.
Church or state controlled religious violence is worse.
Religious violence must be eliminated! Totally! Forever!
All churches should condemn religious violence!
All states should condemn religious violence and the churches that allow it!
There will never be world peace without separation of the church and the state!
There must be world wide separation of the church and the state!
Bad Muslims are the sworn enemies of infidels (all non Muslims, including ex-Muslims). They are
required to either convert us to Islam or kill us.
You probably don't know it, but we are in the midst of World War 3 right now - the Bad Muslims
against the rest of the world.
They are headed for world domination.
They present a clear and present danger.
They gain control of some governments by armed rebellion.
They gain control of some democratic governments through democratic processes and then take
it over. They declare Islam as the state religion. They replace the constitution with Islamic law.
They deny religious freedom, and they enslave the women. They take a democratic state and
convert it to a Muslim state complete with all of its attendant religious violence and disregard of
human rights.
We, the civilized countries of the world, need a dialogue among ourselves to become aware of
the threat and to plan and execute a course of action.
We need a dialogue with the Muslims to make them aware of the need for change and to
encourage them along that line.
They must reform Islam and all Muslim states:
We must urge all nations and all churches to effect separation of the church and the state.
We must also stop Iran from getting weapons of mass destruction – right now, without delay. If
Iran gets nuclear weapons, then the Muslim terrorists will get nuclear weapons! If they do, then
the US will be the victim of their first or second atomic bomb.
Also, if Al Qaida or some other radical Muslim group gets control of Pakistan and its nuclear
bombs, then they will give A-bombs to the terrorists, and we will be bombed.
2,973 people were killed on 9/11/01, but
if the Bad Muslims ever get nuclear weapons ...
get nuclear weapons!
Wake up America! Wake up Europe! Wake up world!
Bad Muslims are indeed the mortal enemies of us all !!!
We must join together and eliminate the Bad Muslims!
We have to either eliminate them or at least contain them, or they will
eventually kill us!!! Or enslave us in their religion.
Either we fight them or we will have to become Muslims and give up our democracy, our human
rights, our freedom of religion, and allow our daughters to become mutilated slaves, study the
Koran at madrases, and bow down to Mecca 5 times a day.
Perhaps its time to start thinking about global disarmament of all weapons of mass destruction -
nuclear, biological, chemical, whatever. It would take the agreement of all major powers. It would
take international inspection teams with unlimited access to all nations' territory, government
facilities, military facilities, and civilian facilities too, both public and privet. Yes, it would violate
some peoples privacy; life is not perfect. Some loss of privacy versus weapons of mass
destruction - you decide. An open door policy like the above could do immense good for all
people of all nations. Dare to think... What would it take? How could it be made to work? How
could it be made to happen?
Islamic reformation!
All UN human rights for everyone!
Equal rights for all women everywhere!
Freedom of speech for everyone!
Religious freedom for everyone!
Separation of the church and the state everywhere!
Elimination of religious violence!
Elimination of weapons of mass destruction!
World wide!
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Re God and church:
Does God exist? Is He alive today?
God is invisible. And deaf and dumb too. Maybe he/she/they/it doesn't even exist. Who
knows?? (The Shadow knows.) How can you tell??
God exists only in the mind of man. His existence is not detectable anywhere
else. Ergo, God is imaginary. He is not real. Imaginary. Literally imaginary. He is a figment of
man's imagination.
"You must believe this or you will go to hell."
God does not exist in the real world. Therefore, he must be imaginary.
To be real he must be physically detectable. If he is undetectable then he must be imaginary.
Thats it, there are no other possibilities (except imaginary ones).
Suspicions and theories are imaginary things. Real things need evidential proof.
Real things have a physical presence. Somewhere.
God is imaginary !!!!!!!
All gods are imaginary!
The gods were invented by man (while sitting around a camp fire).
The religions were invented by man (while sitting around a camp fire).
Buddha (Siddhartha Gautama) was a man.
Hinduism grew out of the folk lore of man.
Abraham was a man.
Moses was a man.
Jesus was a mortal man. (And allegedly the "son" of God. But "There is only one god." ?)
Mohammed was a man.
The commandments were carved in stone by a man. (Go ahead, prove me wrong.)
The bible was written by "God inspired" men, but later revised, and some gospels were even
expunged, by (God inspired?) man. God should make up his mind. (Why didn't Jesus write the
bible?)
The operative word here is man.
The things that you ascribe to God were told to you by man or your own imagination.
The existence of God is a matter of opinion, not fact, and your opinion is just as valid as anyone
else's, including all of the clergy of all of the churches in all of the world. Don't let anyone tell you
what to think about God. Nobody knows God. All anyone can tell you is what they think about
God. Do your own thinking. Thats why God gave you intelligence.
Superstition and the supernatural go hand in hand.
The entire length and breath of the supernatural is a construction of human imagination -
Did you ever wonder why God doesn't answer your prayers? Its because he is imaginary!
Did you ever wonder why God is indifferent to mankind? Its because he is imaginary!
Do you ever wonder why God doesn't beat up Allah? Its because they are imaginary!
"You must believe in my imaginary god or your imaginary soul will go to the imaginary
hell."
Faith is belief in something for which there is no evidence.
Faith is not knowledge. Faith is not fact. Faith is not truth. Faith is nothing but unsubstantiated
belief.
Faith requires gullibility. Skepticism, logic, reason, investigation, examination, experimentation,
... are all anathemas.
God is one thing but religion is something else. No god ever organized a religion. No god ever
wrote "The Book" on his religion.
Religion is strictly a man thing. Prophets, priests, apostles, witch-doctors, etc., invented and
organized the religions and wrote the books.
Organized religion is just the packaged codification and ritualization of the thoughts, opinions and
inventions of some man or men.
God is imaginary. Therefore, religion is irrational.
Religion is a form of insanity where people think irrationally and act accordingly, like:
right evil.
Religious insanity is a source of evil.
Religion is a form of slavery. The congregations believes what the priests and the "Book" tell
them to believe and they do what the priests and the "Book" tell them to do. And there is no
voting on what the priests or the "Book" says. You must believe and obey them or you will go to
Hell.
Muslim states hold all citizens in theological slavery - they do not allow religious freedom.
Me? I believe in the Golden Rule - "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
Its not religion, its just common sense. No rituals, no mumbo jumbo, no imaginary baggage.
Dreams are not a reliable source of information.
Altered states of consciousness and hallucinations are not a reliable source of information.
Information acquired by the scientific method is much more reliable.
The only people who have any chance of ever finding out anything about God are the scientists.
They are the only ones studying the works of God. Clergy just study the works of man.
Theology is all theory; there is no experimental branch.
Where did God come from? How did he come to exist?
Is he made of atoms? Does he breath air? Does he drink water? eat? sleep? etcetera?
Where does he live? Which one of the 125 billion galaxies? Which one of the 25 thousand billion
billion star systems? Which one of the 200 thousand billion billion planets? Does he live here on
the surface of the earth? (What ZIP code?) Does he live in the sky, in a stealth heaven that is in
orbit around earth? Or does he live in some imaginary place?
Does he obey the laws of physics, or is he unreal?
How does he get around in the universe? Can he exceed the speed of light? (Our galaxy's
diameter is 100 thousand light years wide; our universe is billions of light years wide!)
Is there more than one god, say one for each star system, or each galaxy? (There are 200 billion
stars in our galaxy and 125 billion galaxies in our universe.)
How is he able to create space, time, matter/energy?
Is he really Catholic?
Why does he exist? What is his purpose in life? And what for? Who told him to do that? Why?
And where did his creators come from? How...? When...? Why...?
Etc., etc. ad infinitum.
Some questions are unanswerable.
Ever.
And God can't help you. Remember, either he is an imaginary man or a quasi-real man who is
invisible, deaf and dumb.
The only thing you can do is use your imagination and invent your own answers, which is how the
whole thing about God and religion got started in the first place.
We don't know what happened before the Big Bang but neither do any of the imaginary gods.
Imaginary gods only know what we say they know.
irrational!
Our imaginary gods have reaped a horrible harvest of evil – wars, atrocities, intolerance, hatred...
Imaginary gods are the result of self-deception. We should not do that to ourselves. We should
demand irrefutable physical evidence of our gods existence, residence, and their powers before
committing our belief in them. We should demand, or maybe respectfully request, that they write
their own bibles, (in clear and lucid language) instead of us accepting the work of some
"supernaturally inspired" (what a crock) prophets, apostles or clerics.
We should differentiate between the real and the imaginary. Accept the real for what it is. Reject
the imaginary for what it is not (it is not real).
Accept the responsibility for writing our own codes of law, morals and manners. (We don't need a
church cleric to do that for us.)
And accept the fact that we do not have all the answers and may never get them.
An imaginary god is not a meaningful answer to anything at all.
Imaginary gods and irrational churches are a part of the problem, not the solution.
Churches should have only one purpose - to help people on their journey through life. Period.
No imaginary baggage. No political agenda. No evil. Maybe a social philosophy, a democratic moral
code, ...
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Re sacred embryos:
Stem cells - yes. Sacred embryos - no.
Re sacred embryos not being used for stem cells: Bush 2 and his Christian backers are imposing
their opinion (guess) as to what God wants, on all of the people of the USA. So, not only is this
just an opinion but it is a religious belief, and they are imposing this religious belief on the whole
country. I thought we had freedom of religion. Well, I don't want to accept his religion or any of
his stupid religious opinions!
Why is it stupid, I'll tell you why -
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design theory, there is no evidence. They are religious beliefs that have to be taken on faith.
Therefore, they have no place in our public schools; teach them in church. (Stupid Bush wants
the schools to teach it as an alternative to science. Can you imagine that?)
When it comes to confronting science, the church (and Bush) has been wrong about 100% of the
time. See Evolution History - Man
The Intelligent Design guys have it all wrong. They say that the fact that life is so complex, is
proof that there must be an intelligent designer. No, no, no. Its just the opposite! Since life is so
complex, there must not have been an intelligent designer. If there were an intelligent designer
life would be much more simple and less diverse. (Why do we need numerous different shapes
for an ear? or a nose? etc. One well designed ear should do for everyone.) Complexity and
diversity come from the random nature of evolution.
Banning abortion is a religious issue not a political issue. Men should not have the right to vote
on women's abortions! Keep religion out of politics.
A women owns her body, not the government, not the church, and not any man.
The right to die, i.e. death with dignity, is a common sense human rights issue. The suppression
of that right is a religious issue, not a political issue. Make suicide and doctor assisted suicide a
sin if you want, but not a crime. Legalize doctor assisted suicide! Not just for sick people but for
old people too. Old people need all the help they can get.
The state does not own me. I own me.
Should we provide public financial support for religious primary and high schools? Yes, so long
as the school is sufficiently accredited. I think that violence free private schools (and charter
schools?), that can permanently expel disruptive kids, are an important element in getting people
out of ghettos. Maybe the government should provide "private" schools in ghettos. See Political
Notes - 2 under Education, and see Political Notes - 1 under Discrimination.
This is a biggie, a big, BIG biggie!
Lord save us from religion.
We need freedom of religion and freedom from religion.
Keep religion out of government! Totally! Absolutely!
Separation of the church and the state.…..
Render unto Caesar….
People should get their religion from the church of their choice, not their government, not their
political party, and not their public schools. And not their civil calendar.
Religion is a personal thing. Let each person be free to choose whatever religion they think is
right for them, just as long as they and their church do not infringe upon the rights of anyone else.
No one has the right to impose their religious beliefs on anyone else!!!
Take note Christian fundamentalists! Take note Muslim fundamentalists! Jews too.
Freedom of religion is a basic human right.
Freedom of religion requires freedom from religion.
Freedom from religion requires separation of the church and the state.
Freedom of religion means that you are free to choose what you want to believe and what you do
not want to believe. No one else, no preacher, rabbi, nor ayatollah, can tell you what you must
believe or not believe, or what you must do or not do, based on their religion. In other words, in
order to have freedom of religion you must also have freedom from religion. Therefore, freedom
from religion is also a basic human right.
Everyone has the right to be totally free of religious impositions.!!!
In order for you to have freedom from religion, there must be separation of the church and the
state. This is just a statement of the obvious but it needs to be stated. (Some people are
oblivious to the obvious.) Therefore, separation of the church and the state is also a basic
human right!
No government has the right to impose religion on anyone (or to violate any or
their other human rights)!!!
See: http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html for a list of UN human rights.
Also see: http://www.hrweb.org/legal/undocs.html
For the U.S. Constitution and it's Amendments see: www.usconstitution.net/const.html
And, unless the state can accommodate everyone's religious opinions, including Atheist's,
Muslim's, Satanist's, and Pagan's, then it should cater to none. In other words, the state
governing process should be completely devoid of religious considerations!!!
Let all of the churches conform to the laws of the state, not vice versa. Render unto Caesar...
Also, let all of the congregations of all of the churches conform to the laws of the state.
Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's.
What this means for congregations is, God may own your soul but your body belongs to Caesar,
and your body better do whatever Caesar says. The state takes precedence over God and
church as long as you are alive.
Churches and their clergy must be barred from politics and from government.
Churches and their clergy must be barred from making political contributions.
Clergy must be barred from holding public office, both elected and appointed.
Churches, clergy and their congregations must obey all civil laws.
Churches must not deny anyone of their freedom of religion or freedom of speech.
Churches and their clergy shall not deny women, or anyone, of any of their human rights.
Clergy who preach civil disobedience should be fined or arrested.
Clergy who preach, aid or abet terrorism should be arrested for terrorism.
Clergy who espouse holy murders, holy wars or any other holy violence, should be arrested.
Churches must not sanction the mutilation of women.
Churches must not sanction murders, terrorism, holy wars, or any other violence.
Churches must not have armed forces - militia, death squads, assassins, terrorists...
Clerics must not have armed forces - ...
Churches and their clergy must not have weapons.
Churches must not have religious police or religious vigilantes.
Churches and their clergy must not have any civil authority whatsoever. (Well, maybe
weddings are OK.)
Talk about your human rights, freedom from religion should be right up there near the top, right
after slavery.
Religious freedom is a basic human right and separation of the church and the state is required
for that freedom to exist.
The United States should champion that human right and, therefore, the worldwide
separation of the church and the state.
We should start off by amending our own constitution to explicitly require the separation of the
church and the state.
There will never be world peace without first having worldwide religious freedom
and separation of the church and the state!!!
Given all of the above, we should take religion out of our politics, our government, and our
schools, ie:
- Ban all churches and all clergy from politics and government, both elected and appointed,
- Ban both them and their agents from making political contributions,
- Ban religious considerations from all government processes (including the reform of the civil
calendar) in all government entities. - Remove all religious artifacts from government.
- Ban religion from public schools. This includes school prayers, Intelligent Design and the
biblical creation myth.
their religious beliefs on anyone else. It bears repeating.
If you want to keep school prayer, then you have to accommodate everyone's religious point of
view, including atheists. Muslims, Satanists... Its either that or you must declare a state religion.
- (For Christ's sake don't make it Christianity, with their history of intellectual suppression,
especially science, suppression of women, censorship, book burning, witch burning, heretic
burning, the inquisition, torture, atrocities, bigotry, religious wars, ... Religious violence is
despicable.)
Christian worship?
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Re Muslims:
Talking about church evils, "holy war" has to be the mother of all oxymorons. The same for
"religious terrorism", "religious murders", or any other "religious violence".
It wasn't nice when the Christians were doing it, and it certainly is not nice now when the Islamics
still do it.
There must be many good Muslims, right? But how come they are not vocal and actively
condemning Muslim suicide bombers and other Muslim terrorists who are killing innocent men,
women and children, in the name of Allah? Why are they not condemning:
- Ben Laden? militant clerics? the suppression of women?**, the mutilation of women? the
disregard of human rights? religious police? church armed forces? church sanctioned
murders (like Salmond Rushdie's death warrant fatwa)? church death squads? church wars
(jihads)?
- (** The treatment of Muslim women is pathetic, driving some to self-immolation.
Google Muslim self immolation. Also note: "The Saudi judiciary on Tuesday defended
a court verdict that sentenced a 19-year-old victim of a gang rape to six months in jail
and 200 lashes because she was with an unrelated male when they were attacked."
11/21/07 Also note: "Religious vigilantes have killed at least 40 women this year in the
southern Iraqi city of Basra because of how they dressed, their mutilated bodies found
with notes warning against "violating Islamic teachings," the police chief said Sunday."
12/9/07)
their existence, otherwise we are left to conclude that there are no good Muslims, that all Muslims
are intolerant, violent, fanatics that threaten our freedom of religion, our democracy and our very
existence, and, therefore, need to be suppressed or at least contained.
Are they afraid to speak up? That would be truly sad. (But I think it might be true.)
Please speak up, loud and clear and often.
Does the Koran preach violence? Google Koran violence.
Are all infidels prey for Moslems? Google Koran violence.
Is Allah an evil god? Google Koran violence.
Are all Muslims our enemy? I don't think so, but how can you tell a good Muslim from a bad
Muslim? They both look similar. They both go to the same church. They don't wear uniforms.
They don't wear badges.
- (A Good Muslim is here defined as one who decries church violence and believes in all of
the human rights defined by the UN, especially freedom of religion (including the separation
of the church and the state), freedom of speech (and cartoons and the naming of teddy
bears), and equal rights for women. A Bad Muslim is just the opposite - he believes in
church violence and denies human rights. A Bad Muslim is a fundamentalist, an extremist,
an intolerant fanatic, and a terrorist, weather active or not.)
Koran and most especially from the Bad Muslims. They should not let themselves be mistaken
for Bad Muslims. But you know, I don't think they can quit Islam without violating the Koran and
provoking the wrath of the Bad Muslims, with very dire consequences. Same for speaking up
against the Koran or Islam. Oh hell. It's an impossible problem to solve without more violence.
Maybe if they work for reform from within Islam... But how can you propose fixing the Koran or
Islam without first saying that it is flawed and needs fixing??? If you badmouth either the Koran or
Islam, its off with your head! If you disavow Islam or join another church, its off with your head!
You can't even become an atheist without loosing your head.
violence. All of the Good Muslims should get together and start a church reform
movement (or a schism), a reformation that denounces and forbids all religious
violence, and that affirms all of the UN human rights, especially freedom of
speech and religion, the separation of the church and the state, and the
emancipation of women.
- (Don't hold your breath waiting for this to happen. I don't think the Good Muslims are
capable of effecting reformation - the Bad Muslims wont let them. The best they can do is
start their own new, nonviolent, pro human rights version of Islam, with a revised Koran,
probably in non Muslim countries, and hope it spreads to Muslim countries.)
- (Don't hold your breath waiting for this to happen. The Bad Muslims will fight (terrorize)
against them. I think religious Good Muslims will have to quit Islam and join some
other church or start a completely new religion that does not use the Koran.)
violence in all of its forms, and endorse all of the UN specified human rights, especially the
separation of the church and the state, i.e. they should -
ban all clerics from politics and government.
All churches should do this, (especially Islam), formally, at media events so that the whole world
will know.
Bad Muslims say: "If you don't believe in Allah, I will kill you." (The ultimate religious imposition.)
Violence for the sake of God is both ludicrous and obnoxious. I'm sure God would agree...
Religious violence is the opposite of what a kind, loving, benevolent god would want.
Violence for the sake of an imaginary god is even more ludicrous and more obnoxious.
A violent church is an evil church.
Religious violence is abhorrent.
Church or state controlled religious violence is worse.
Religious violence must be eliminated! Totally! Forever!
All churches should condemn religious violence!
All states should condemn religious violence and the churches that allow it!
There will never be world peace without separation of the church and the state!
There must be world wide separation of the church and the state!
Bad Muslims are the sworn enemies of infidels (all non Muslims, including ex-Muslims). They are
required to either convert us to Islam or kill us.
You probably don't know it, but we are in the midst of World War 3 right now - the Bad Muslims
against the rest of the world.
They are headed for world domination.
They present a clear and present danger.
They gain control of some governments by armed rebellion.
They gain control of some democratic governments through democratic processes and then take
it over. They declare Islam as the state religion. They replace the constitution with Islamic law.
They deny religious freedom, and they enslave the women. They take a democratic state and
convert it to a Muslim state complete with all of its attendant religious violence and disregard of
human rights.
We, the civilized countries of the world, need a dialogue among ourselves to become aware of
the threat and to plan and execute a course of action.
We need a dialogue with the Muslims to make them aware of the need for change and to
encourage them along that line.
They must reform Islam and all Muslim states:
- Condemn and forbid all religious violence.
- Eliminate Muslim terrorism.
- Eliminate church assassins, militias, police, death squads, vigilantes, holy wars, ...
- Disarm all clerics, militias and mosques.
- Endorse all UN human rights:
- Emancipate all women.
- Grant freedom of speech to all.
- Grant religious freedom to all.
- Separate the church and the state.
- Ban all clerics from politics and government.
- Revise the Koran accordingly.
- Renounce and forbid all prior editions of the Koran.
We must urge all nations and all churches to effect separation of the church and the state.
We must also stop Iran from getting weapons of mass destruction – right now, without delay. If
Iran gets nuclear weapons, then the Muslim terrorists will get nuclear weapons! If they do, then
the US will be the victim of their first or second atomic bomb.
Also, if Al Qaida or some other radical Muslim group gets control of Pakistan and its nuclear
bombs, then they will give A-bombs to the terrorists, and we will be bombed.
2,973 people were killed on 9/11/01, but
if the Bad Muslims ever get nuclear weapons ...
- A suitcase A-bomb of 1 kiloton has a prompt-kill area of 1 square mile. Our big cities have
population densities of 12,000 to 25,000 people per square mile. The Hiroshima bomb was
13 kilotons. A typical A-bomb now has a yield of 1 Megaton.
get nuclear weapons!
Wake up America! Wake up Europe! Wake up world!
Bad Muslims are indeed the mortal enemies of us all !!!
We must join together and eliminate the Bad Muslims!
We have to either eliminate them or at least contain them, or they will
eventually kill us!!! Or enslave us in their religion.
Either we fight them or we will have to become Muslims and give up our democracy, our human
rights, our freedom of religion, and allow our daughters to become mutilated slaves, study the
Koran at madrases, and bow down to Mecca 5 times a day.
Perhaps its time to start thinking about global disarmament of all weapons of mass destruction -
nuclear, biological, chemical, whatever. It would take the agreement of all major powers. It would
take international inspection teams with unlimited access to all nations' territory, government
facilities, military facilities, and civilian facilities too, both public and privet. Yes, it would violate
some peoples privacy; life is not perfect. Some loss of privacy versus weapons of mass
destruction - you decide. An open door policy like the above could do immense good for all
people of all nations. Dare to think... What would it take? How could it be made to work? How
could it be made to happen?
Islamic reformation!
All UN human rights for everyone!
Equal rights for all women everywhere!
Freedom of speech for everyone!
Religious freedom for everyone!
Separation of the church and the state everywhere!
Elimination of religious violence!
Elimination of weapons of mass destruction!
World wide!
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Re God and church:
Does God exist? Is He alive today?
God is invisible. And deaf and dumb too. Maybe he/she/they/it doesn't even exist. Who
knows?? (The Shadow knows.) How can you tell??
God exists only in the mind of man. His existence is not detectable anywhere
else. Ergo, God is imaginary. He is not real. Imaginary. Literally imaginary. He is a figment of
man's imagination.
"You must believe this or you will go to hell."
God does not exist in the real world. Therefore, he must be imaginary.
To be real he must be physically detectable. If he is undetectable then he must be imaginary.
Thats it, there are no other possibilities (except imaginary ones).
Suspicions and theories are imaginary things. Real things need evidential proof.
Real things have a physical presence. Somewhere.
God is imaginary !!!!!!!
All gods are imaginary!
The gods were invented by man (while sitting around a camp fire).
The religions were invented by man (while sitting around a camp fire).
Buddha (Siddhartha Gautama) was a man.
Hinduism grew out of the folk lore of man.
Abraham was a man.
Moses was a man.
Jesus was a mortal man. (And allegedly the "son" of God. But "There is only one god." ?)
Mohammed was a man.
The commandments were carved in stone by a man. (Go ahead, prove me wrong.)
The bible was written by "God inspired" men, but later revised, and some gospels were even
expunged, by (God inspired?) man. God should make up his mind. (Why didn't Jesus write the
bible?)
The operative word here is man.
The things that you ascribe to God were told to you by man or your own imagination.
The existence of God is a matter of opinion, not fact, and your opinion is just as valid as anyone
else's, including all of the clergy of all of the churches in all of the world. Don't let anyone tell you
what to think about God. Nobody knows God. All anyone can tell you is what they think about
God. Do your own thinking. Thats why God gave you intelligence.
Superstition and the supernatural go hand in hand.
The entire length and breath of the supernatural is a construction of human imagination -
- gods, angles, devils, demons, heaven, hell, purgatory, miracles, immaculate conceptions,
resurrections, omnipotence, infallibility, souls, spirits, spooks, ghosts, ghouls, vampires,
werewolves, witches, wizards, goblins, zombies, boogie men, elves, sprites, fairies, gnomes,
ogres, trolls, Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy, all of the pagan deities, much of folklore and
myths, ...
Did you ever wonder why God doesn't answer your prayers? Its because he is imaginary!
Did you ever wonder why God is indifferent to mankind? Its because he is imaginary!
Do you ever wonder why God doesn't beat up Allah? Its because they are imaginary!
"You must believe in my imaginary god or your imaginary soul will go to the imaginary
hell."
Faith is belief in something for which there is no evidence.
Faith is not knowledge. Faith is not fact. Faith is not truth. Faith is nothing but unsubstantiated
belief.
Faith requires gullibility. Skepticism, logic, reason, investigation, examination, experimentation,
... are all anathemas.
God is one thing but religion is something else. No god ever organized a religion. No god ever
wrote "The Book" on his religion.
Religion is strictly a man thing. Prophets, priests, apostles, witch-doctors, etc., invented and
organized the religions and wrote the books.
Organized religion is just the packaged codification and ritualization of the thoughts, opinions and
inventions of some man or men.
God is imaginary. Therefore, religion is irrational.
Religion is a form of insanity where people think irrationally and act accordingly, like:
- Waco, Jonestown, the Ku Klux Klan, imaginary/invisible god worship, witch burning, heretic
burning, human sacrifice, the inquisition, the crusades, heretical book burning, anti science,
infallibility (Ha! Pope? Koran? Bible?), the trinity ("There is but one God: the father, son,
and holy ghost." Is that rational?), bigotry, intolerance to heretics or infidels, a cast system
of prejudice, suppression of women, anti freedom of religion, sacred embryos, holy wars,
church assassinations, Muslim religious vigilantes, holy terrorism, Muslim suicide bombers...
- ("Sudan - A British teacher went on trial Thursday on charges of inciting religious
hatred by letting her students name a teddy bear Muhammad (a very common name
among Muslim men), a crime punishable by up to 40 lashes and six months in jail." Is
that rational? 11/29/07)
right evil.
Religious insanity is a source of evil.
Religion is a form of slavery. The congregations believes what the priests and the "Book" tell
them to believe and they do what the priests and the "Book" tell them to do. And there is no
voting on what the priests or the "Book" says. You must believe and obey them or you will go to
Hell.
Muslim states hold all citizens in theological slavery - they do not allow religious freedom.
Me? I believe in the Golden Rule - "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
Its not religion, its just common sense. No rituals, no mumbo jumbo, no imaginary baggage.
Dreams are not a reliable source of information.
Altered states of consciousness and hallucinations are not a reliable source of information.
Information acquired by the scientific method is much more reliable.
The only people who have any chance of ever finding out anything about God are the scientists.
They are the only ones studying the works of God. Clergy just study the works of man.
Theology is all theory; there is no experimental branch.
Where did God come from? How did he come to exist?
Is he made of atoms? Does he breath air? Does he drink water? eat? sleep? etcetera?
Where does he live? Which one of the 125 billion galaxies? Which one of the 25 thousand billion
billion star systems? Which one of the 200 thousand billion billion planets? Does he live here on
the surface of the earth? (What ZIP code?) Does he live in the sky, in a stealth heaven that is in
orbit around earth? Or does he live in some imaginary place?
Does he obey the laws of physics, or is he unreal?
How does he get around in the universe? Can he exceed the speed of light? (Our galaxy's
diameter is 100 thousand light years wide; our universe is billions of light years wide!)
Is there more than one god, say one for each star system, or each galaxy? (There are 200 billion
stars in our galaxy and 125 billion galaxies in our universe.)
How is he able to create space, time, matter/energy?
Is he really Catholic?
Why does he exist? What is his purpose in life? And what for? Who told him to do that? Why?
And where did his creators come from? How...? When...? Why...?
Etc., etc. ad infinitum.
Some questions are unanswerable.
Ever.
And God can't help you. Remember, either he is an imaginary man or a quasi-real man who is
invisible, deaf and dumb.
The only thing you can do is use your imagination and invent your own answers, which is how the
whole thing about God and religion got started in the first place.
We don't know what happened before the Big Bang but neither do any of the imaginary gods.
Imaginary gods only know what we say they know.
irrational!
Our imaginary gods have reaped a horrible harvest of evil – wars, atrocities, intolerance, hatred...
Imaginary gods are the result of self-deception. We should not do that to ourselves. We should
demand irrefutable physical evidence of our gods existence, residence, and their powers before
committing our belief in them. We should demand, or maybe respectfully request, that they write
their own bibles, (in clear and lucid language) instead of us accepting the work of some
"supernaturally inspired" (what a crock) prophets, apostles or clerics.
We should differentiate between the real and the imaginary. Accept the real for what it is. Reject
the imaginary for what it is not (it is not real).
Accept the responsibility for writing our own codes of law, morals and manners. (We don't need a
church cleric to do that for us.)
And accept the fact that we do not have all the answers and may never get them.
An imaginary god is not a meaningful answer to anything at all.
Imaginary gods and irrational churches are a part of the problem, not the solution.
Churches should have only one purpose - to help people on their journey through life. Period.
No imaginary baggage. No political agenda. No evil. Maybe a social philosophy, a democratic moral
code, ...
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Re sacred embryos:
Stem cells - yes. Sacred embryos - no.
Re sacred embryos not being used for stem cells: Bush 2 and his Christian backers are imposing
their opinion (guess) as to what God wants, on all of the people of the USA. So, not only is this
just an opinion but it is a religious belief, and they are imposing this religious belief on the whole
country. I thought we had freedom of religion. Well, I don't want to accept his religion or any of
his stupid religious opinions!
Why is it stupid, I'll tell you why -
- Bush 2 is telling us that embryos are sacred, that they have souls. How does he know this?
Has he been talking with God, again? - Embryos are far from being human. They are still back at the starting form of human
evolution. They are closer to being amoebas or metazoa than humans. It takes 9 more
months to make a human. - He wants to "save" unwanted embryos from being used for stem cell research, for what, so
they can be used to create life? No, he is not saving embryos so that they can be used to
create life, they are just going to be thrown away (killed). - Bush 2 doesn't want scientist to kill embryos, but that is exactly what he is doing, causing
the death of "sacred" embryos - death by discardation. How disrespectful of sanctity... - He wants to throw away "sacred" embryos to thwart those "nasty" scientists from finding
cures to mankind's illnesses. - If embryos are sacred, shouldn't the discarded ones be buried in hallowed ground?
- What hallowed ground? I mean, what religion are they?
- What about atheist embryos? Why can't they be used for stem cells?
- Before burial, should the sacred embryos be killed first or buried alive?
- How should they be killed? (By making stem cells?)
- By whom, clergy or civil servant (or scientist)?
- Maybe all of the unused embryos should be turned over to the church for reverential
disposal. But which church? What is the state religion? - Why don't we just make the nasty scientists say 3 Hail Marys and 1 Our Father. That should
suffice.
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design theory, there is no evidence. They are religious beliefs that have to be taken on faith.
Therefore, they have no place in our public schools; teach them in church. (Stupid Bush wants
the schools to teach it as an alternative to science. Can you imagine that?)
When it comes to confronting science, the church (and Bush) has been wrong about 100% of the
time. See Evolution History - Man
The Intelligent Design guys have it all wrong. They say that the fact that life is so complex, is
proof that there must be an intelligent designer. No, no, no. Its just the opposite! Since life is so
complex, there must not have been an intelligent designer. If there were an intelligent designer
life would be much more simple and less diverse. (Why do we need numerous different shapes
for an ear? or a nose? etc. One well designed ear should do for everyone.) Complexity and
diversity come from the random nature of evolution.
Banning abortion is a religious issue not a political issue. Men should not have the right to vote
on women's abortions! Keep religion out of politics.
A women owns her body, not the government, not the church, and not any man.
The right to die, i.e. death with dignity, is a common sense human rights issue. The suppression
of that right is a religious issue, not a political issue. Make suicide and doctor assisted suicide a
sin if you want, but not a crime. Legalize doctor assisted suicide! Not just for sick people but for
old people too. Old people need all the help they can get.
The state does not own me. I own me.
Should we provide public financial support for religious primary and high schools? Yes, so long
as the school is sufficiently accredited. I think that violence free private schools (and charter
schools?), that can permanently expel disruptive kids, are an important element in getting people
out of ghettos. Maybe the government should provide "private" schools in ghettos. See Political
Notes - 2 under Education, and see Political Notes - 1 under Discrimination.