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Re Religious Freedom:
This is a biggie, a big, BIG biggie!
Lord save us from religion.
We need freedom of religion and freedom from religion.
Keep religion out of government! Totally! Absolutely!
Separation of the church and the state.…..
Render unto Caesar….
People should get their religion from the church of their choice, not their government, not their
political party, and not their public schools. And not their civil calendar.
Religion is a personal thing. Let each person be free to choose whatever religion they think is right
for them, just as long as they and their church do not infringe upon the rights of anyone else.
No one has the right to impose their religious beliefs, customs, or habits on anyone
else!!! Or from the positive point of view - Everyone has the right to be totally free from
religious impositions!!!
Take note Republicans!! Take note Christian fundamentalists! Take note Muslim fundamentalists!
Jewish fundamentalists too! And calendar reformers!
From the beginning:
Freedom of religion is a basic human right.
Freedom of religion requires freedom from religion.
Freedom from religion requires separation of the church and the state.
Freedom of religion means that you are free to choose what you want to believe and what you do
not want to believe. No one else, no preacher, no rabbi, nor ayatollah, can tell you what you must
believe or not believe, or what you must do or not do, based on their religion. In other words, in
order to have freedom of religion you must also have freedom from religion, even from your own
religion. Therefore, freedom from religion is also a basic human right.
Everyone has the right to be totally free from religious impositions.!!!
In order to have freedom from religion, there must be separation of the church and the state. This is
just a statement of the obvious but it needs to be stated because some people are oblivious to the
obvious. Therefore, separation of the church and the state is also a basic human right!
No government has the right to impose religion on anyone, or to deny anyone of
any of their other UN mandated human rights!!!
See: http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html for a list of UN human rights.
Also see: http://www.hrweb.org/legal/undocs.html
For the U.S. Constitution and it's Amendments see: www.usconstitution.net/const.html
And, unless the state can accommodate everyone's religious opinions, including Atheist's, Muslim's,
and Pagan's, then it should cater to none. In other words, the state governing process
should be completely devoid of religious considerations!!!
Let all of the churches conform to the laws of the state, not vice versa. Churches must render unto
Caesar...
Also, all of the clergy and all of the congregations of all of the churches must conform to the laws of
the state.
"Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's." What
this means for clergy and congregations is, God may own your soul but your body belongs to
Caesar, and your body better do whatever Caesar says.
The state takes precedence over God and church as long as you are alive.
Separation of the church and the state requires that -
Churches and their clergy** must not have any civil authority whatsoever. (Well,
maybe weddings are OK.)
Churches and their clergy**:
Clergy who preach civil disobedience should be fined or arrested.
Clergy who preach, aid or abet terrorism should be arrested for terrorism.
Clergy who espouse holy murders, holy wars or any other church violence, should be arrested.
Churches that preach or condone religious violence should be banned!
Talk about your human rights, freedom from religion should be right up there near the top, right after
slavery.
Religious freedom is a basic human right and separation of the church and the state is required for
that freedom to exist. The United States should champion that human right and, therefore,
the worldwide separation of the church and the state.
We should start off by amending our own constitution to explicitly require the separation of the
church and the state.
There will never be world peace without first having worldwide religious freedom
and separation of the church and the state!!!
Given all of the above, we should continue to remove religion from our politics, our government, and
our schools, ie:
If you want to keep school prayer, then you have to accommodate everyone's religious point of view,
including atheists, Muslims, Pagans... Its either that or you must declare a state religion.
worship?
Everyone has the right to believe in the god of their choice, but no one has the right to impose their
religious beliefs, customs or habits on anyone else.
No church has the right to inflict violence on anyone.
And no church has the right to deny anyone of their basic human rights, including their own clerics
and parishioners.
Separate all churches from the state!
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Re Muslims:
Talking about church evils, "holy war" has to be the mother of all oxymorons. The same for
"religious terrorism", "religious assassinations", or any other religious violence.
It wasn't nice when the Christians were doing it, and it certainly is not nice now when the Islamics still
do it.
There must be many good Muslims, right? But how come they are not vocal and actively
condemning Muslim suicide bombers and other Muslim terrorists who are killing innocent men,
women and children, in the name of Allah? Why are they not condemning:
existence, otherwise we are left to conclude that there are no good Muslims, that all Muslims are
intolerant, violent, fanatics that threaten our freedom of religion, our democracy and our very
existence, and, therefore, need to be suppressed or at least contained.
Are they afraid to speak up? That would be truly sad. (But I think it might be true.)
Please speak up, loud and clear and often.
Does the Koran preach violence? Yes, it does, mostly in the newer portions of the Koran. Google
Koran violence.
Are all infidels prey for Moslems? Yes, we are. The Koran directs Muslims to seek out infidels and
either convert us to Islam, or enslave and abuse us, or kill us! Google Koran violence.
Is Allah an evil god? A violent god is an evil god.
It is important to note that foreign language Korans, ie those not written in Arabic, often omit any
mention of violence. This fact is cited among the Google listings for "Koran violence".
Are all Muslims our enemy? No, I don't think so, but how can you tell a good Muslim from a bad
Muslim? They both look similar. They both go to the same church. They don't wear uniforms.
They don't wear badges.
and most especially from the Bad Muslims. They should not let themselves be mistaken for Bad
Muslims. But you know, I don't think they can quit Islam without violating the Koran and provoking
the wrath of the Bad Muslims, with very dire consequences. Same for speaking up against the
Koran or Islam. Oh hell, it's an impossible problem to solve without more violence. Maybe if they
work for reform from within Islam... But how can you propose fixing the Koran or Islam without first
saying that it is flawed and needs fixing??? If you badmouth either the Koran or Islam, its off with
your head. If you disavow Islam and join another church, its off with your head. You can't even
become an atheist without loosing your head.
All of the Good Muslims should get together and start a church reform movement
(or a schism), a reformation that denounces and forbids all religious violence, and
that affirms all of the UN human rights, especially freedom of speech and religion,
the separation of the church and the state, and the emancipation of women.
violence in all of its forms, and endorse all of the UN specified human rights, especially the
separation of the church and the state, i.e. the churches should -
Ban all clerics from politics and government.
All churches should do this, especially Islam, formally, at media events so that the whole world will
know.
Bad Muslims say: "If you don't believe in my God, I will kill you." (The ultimate religious imposition.)
Violence for the sake of God is both ludicrous and obnoxious. I'm sure God would agree...
Religious violence is the opposite of what a kind, loving, benevolent god would want.
Violence for the sake of an imaginary god is even more ludicrous and more obnoxious.
A violent church is an evil church. A violent god is an evil god.
Religious violence, in the name of God, is abhorrent.
Church or state controlled religious violence is worse.
Muslim law, Sharia, includes draconian religious violence. Google Sharia.
Violent religious punishment should occur only in Hell, not here on earth. Here on earth, only the
state should have the authority to execute murderers and traitors, and there should be no corporal
punishment for any other crime - no amputations, no stoning, no whipping, no torture.
Religious violence must be eliminated! Totally! Forever!
All churches should condemn religious violence!
All states should condemn religious violence and any church that allows it!
There can never be world peace without separation of the church and the state!
There must be worldwide separation of the church and the state!
Bad Muslims are the sworn enemies of infidels (all non Muslims). They are required to either
convert us to Islam, enslave and abuse us (including rape), or kill us.
You probably don't know it, but we are in the middle of World War 3 right now - the Bad Muslims
against the rest of the world.
They are headed for world domination.
They present a clear and present danger.
They gain control of some governments by armed rebellion.
They gain control of some democratic governments through democratic processes and then take it
over. They declare Islam as the state religion. They replace the constitution with Islamic law. They
deny religious freedom, and they enslave the women. They take a democratic state and
transmogrify it into a Muslim state complete with all of its attendant religious violence and disregard
of human rights.
We, the civilized countries of the world, need a dialogue among ourselves to become aware of the
threat and to plan and execute a course of action.
We need a dialogue with the Muslims to make them aware of the need for change and to encourage
them along that line.
Muslims must reform Islam and all Muslim states:
We must urge all nations and all churches to effect separation of the church and the state.
Maybe we should have all immigrants and all visitors to the USA sign an oath swearing that they are
not “Bad Muslims”, that they are opposed to all religious violence and they support all UN human
rights.
Maybe we should have all Muslim church leaders do the same.
Maybe we should have all Muslim residents do the same.
Maybe we should ban Islam until the Koran is revised to ban all religious violence.
We must also stop Iran from getting weapons of mass destruction – right now, without delay. If Iran
gets nuclear weapons, then the Muslim terrorists will get nuclear weapons! If they do, then the US
will be the victim of their first or second atomic bomb.
Also, if Al Qaida or some other radical Muslim group gets control of Pakistan and its nuclear bombs,
then they will give A-bombs to the terrorists, and we will be bombed.
2,973 people were killed on 9/11/01, but
if the Bad Muslims ever get nuclear weapons ...
get nuclear weapons!
Wake up America! Wake up Europe! Wake up world!
Bad Muslims are indeed mortal enemies of us all !!!
We must join together and eliminate the Bad Muslims!
We have to either eliminate them or at least contain them, or they will
eventually kill us!!! Or enslave us in their religion.
Either we fight them or we will have to become Muslims and give up our democracy, our human
rights, our religious freedom, allow our daughters to become mutilated slaves, memorize the Koran at
mind numbing madrases, and bow down to Mecca 5 times a day.
Perhaps its time to start thinking about global disarmament of all weapons of mass destruction -
nuclear, biological, chemical, whatever. It would take the agreement of all major powers. It would
take international inspection teams with unlimited access to all nations territory, including their
government facilities, and their military facilities. Civilian facilities too? Yes, it would violate some
peoples privacy; life is not perfect. Some loss of privacy versus weapons of mass destruction - you
decide. An open door policy like the above would do immense good for all people of all nations.
Dare to think... What would it take? How could it be made to work? How could it be made to
happen?
Islamic reformation!
All UN human rights for everyone!
Equal rights for all women everywhere!
Freedom of speech for everyone!
Religious freedom for everyone!
Separation of the church and the state everywhere!
Elimination of Muslim terrorists!
Elimination of all religious violence!
Elimination of all weapons of mass destruction!
World wide!
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Re God:
Does God exist? Is He alive today?
God is invisible. And deaf, dumb, blind, and/or indifferent too. Maybe he / she / they / it doesn't
even exist. Who knows?? How can you tell??
God exists only in the mind of man. His existence is not detectable anywhere
else. Ergo, God is imaginary. He is not real. Imaginary. Literally imaginary. He is a figment of
man's imagination.
"You must believe this or you will go to hell."
To be real he must be physically detectable. If he is undetectable then he is not real. If he is not
real then he must be imaginary. Thats it. That is the total sum of all possibilities. There are no
other possibilities (except imaginary ones).
Suspicions, theories, and all things supernatural, are imaginary things. Real things need evidential
proof.
Real things have a physical presence. Somewhere.
God is imaginary !!!!!!!
All gods are imaginary!
All of the supernatural is imaginary!
Man must have an explanation for everything, and in the absence of factual knowledge, he will fill
the void with imagination: gods (sun, rain, thunder, fire, wind, sea, father, mother, etc.), creation
myths (6 days to create an earth-centric universe and a human species without progenitors, etc), etc.
The gods were invented by man (while sitting around a camp fire).
The religions were invented by man (while sitting around a camp fire).
Buddha (Siddhartha Gautama) was a man.
Hinduism grew out of the folk lore of man.
The patriarchs and founders of Judaism were all men.
The Old Testament was written by "Imaginary-God inspired" men.
The commandments were carved in stone by a man! (Imaginary beings can not carve stones. Ergo,
Moses was a mason, and a liar.)
Jesus was a mortal man. (And allegedly the bastard son of God.) (But there is only one God?)
The New Testament was written by "imaginary-God inspired" men, long after the death of Jesus, but
later revised, and some gospels were even expunged, by "Imaginary-God inspired" men. The
Imaginary God should make up his mind. (Why didn't Jesus write the bible?)
The Koran was written by Mohammed.
Mohammed was a man.
The operative word here is man.
The things that you ascribe to God were told to you by man or your own imagination.
The existence of God is a matter of opinion, not fact, and your opinion is just as valid as anyone
else's, including all of the clergy of all of the churches in all of the world. Don't let anyone tell you
what to think about God. Nobody knows God. All anyone can tell you is what they think about
God. Do your own thinking. (Thats why God gave you intelligence.)
The only people who have any chance of ever finding out anything about God are the scientists, as
they are the only ones who study the works of God. Clergy just study the works of man, like the
Bible.
The bible is not a reliable source of information. (Especially about creation and evolution.)
Dreams are not a reliable source of information.
Altered states of consciousness and hallucinations are not reliable sources of information.
Information acquired by the scientific method is much more reliable.
Faith is belief in something for which there is no evidence, something unprovable.
Faith is not knowledge. Faith is not fact. Faith is not truth. Faith is nothing but unsubstantiated
belief (suspicion, superstition, assumption, guess, theory, tradition, ...).
Faith requires gullibility. And when it comes to religion, then skepticism, doubt, logic, reason,
investigation, examination, and experimentation are all anathemas.
Superstition and the supernatural go hand in hand.
The entire length and breath of the supernatural is a construction of human imagination -
Do you ever wonder why God doesn't make appearances? Its because he is imaginary!
Do you ever wonder why God doesn't answer your prayers? Its because he is imaginary!
Do you ever wonder why God is indifferent to mankind? Its because he is imaginary!
Do you ever wonder why God did not smite Hitler? Or Genghis Khan? Or ... IBHII!
Do you ever wonder why God doesn't beat up Allah? Its because they are both imaginary!
"You must believe in my imaginary god and his imaginary angles or else your
imaginary soul will go to the imaginary hell to be tormented by the imaginary devil
and his imaginary demons."
Where did God come from? How did he come to exist?
Is he made of atoms? Does he breath air? drink water? eat? sleep? etcetera?
Does he have family and friends? And enemies?
Where does he live? Which one of the 125 billion galaxies? Which one of the 25 thousand billion
billion star systems? Which one of the 100 thousand billion billion planets? Does he live here on
the surface of the earth? (What ZIP code?) Does he live in the sky, in a stealth heaven that is in
orbit around earth? Or does he live in some imaginary place?
Does he obey the laws of physics, or is he unreal?
How does he get around in the universe? Can he exceed the speed of light? (Our galaxy's diameter
is 100 thousand light years wide; our universe is billions of light years wide!)
Maybe there is more than one god, say one for each star system, or each galaxy? (There are 200
billion stars in our galaxy and 125 billion galaxies in our universe.)
Why did he create all those extra stars, and galaxies? All we need is one sun with one planet, Earth,
that has an orbital period of exactly 364 days, and one moon that has an orbital period of exactly 28
days.
How is he able to create space, time, matter, energy? Where did all this stuff come from?
Why does he exist? What is his purpose in life? And what for? Who told him to do that? Why?
And where did his creators come from? How...? When...? Why...?
Etc., etc. ad infinitum.
Some questions are unanswerable. Ever. (That happens a lot when you ask questions
about imaginary things.)
And God can't help you. Remember, either he is an imaginary man or a quasi-real man who is
invisible, deaf and dumb. The only thing you can do is use your imagination and invent your own
answers, which is how the whole thing about God and religion got started in the first place.
God is imaginary.
So, if our imaginary gods did not create the universe, who or what did?
Nobody knows. I dont know. You dont know. None of our scientists know. None of our preachers
know, despite what they say. Certainly imaginary gods do not know.
We will probably never know. Thats the way it is. Deal with it.
Lets just say it was the "Source". A thing or things of unknown origin, residence, and nature. Some
thing beyond our comprehension. Possibly an amoral and indifferent thing (obviously male).
Maybe we should form a club to honor the Source? The Club of the Source. We must retain
ecclesiastic organ music and choirs (they make people feel good). And the ethereal monumental
architecture too (for our clubhouses)? But no "Book of the Source"!!! Shall we have an icon? How
about a flying sourcer?
To join the club, send your money to me, the Grand Sourcerer.
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Re Religion:
imaginary god ever wrote "The Book" on his religion. Religion is strictly a man thing. Prophets,
priests, apostles, witch-doctors, etc., invented and organized the religions and wrote the books.
Organized religion is just the packaged codification and ritualization of the inventions (lies?) of some
ancient men.
Where did we come from? Why are we here? What is our purpose in life? What happens to us
when we die? Man invented god and religion to answer these unanswerable questions.
But God is imaginary. So then, religion is irrational, and irrelevant!
Worshiping an invisible man is irrational.
Believing in supernatural beings is irrational.
Putting your faith in an imaginary being is irrational.
Blindly believing what is written in a book is irrational.
Religion is like a house of cards built on a foundation of belief that god is real. If god is not real then
all of those cards come tumbling down. God is imaginary.
Religion is a form of insanity where people think irrationally and act accordingly, like:
down right evil.
Religious violence is religious evil.
Religious insanity is the source of religious evil.
The Catholic and Islamic religions are among the most evil human institutions the world has ever
known. The Catholics have now stopped doing evil, but the Islamics are still hard at it. Islam now
stands alone as the worlds most violent religion.
to believe and they do what the priests and the "Book" tell them to do. And they have no influence
over what the priests or the "Book" says. They must believe and obey them or their imaginary souls
will go to the imaginary Hell.
Muslim states hold all their citizens in religious slavery - they do not allow religious freedom. The
Muslim people must do what the Koran and the clerics tell them to do or else they might be
punished, possibly severally.
Monotheism has given rise to religious intolerance and violent conflicts.
Paganism was much more benign (except for a few human sacrifices).
Its not religion, its just common sense. No rituals, no mumbo jumbo, no imaginary baggage, no evil.
Religion is a man made crock.
In conclusion:
God exists only in the mind of man. Therefore God is imaginary. Therefore religion is irrelevant.
Imaginary gods are the result of self-deception. We should not do that to ourselves. We should
demand irrefutable physical evidence of our gods existence, their residence, and their powers,
before committing our belief in them. We should demand, or maybe respectfully request, that they
write their own bibles, in a clear, lucid and unambiguous language, instead of us accepting the
confusing, self contradicting muddled parables and fables of some "imaginary-god inspired" men.
We should differentiate between the real and the imaginary. Accept the real for what it is. Reject
the imaginary for what it is not (it is not real).
Accept the responsibility for writing our own codes of law, morals and manners. (We don't need an
"imaginary-god inspired" church cleric to do that for us.)
And accept the fact that we do not have all the answers and probably never will.
An imaginary god is not a meaningful answer to anything at all.
Imaginary gods and irrational churches are a part of the problem (like Muslim terrorists), not the
solution.
Pull your head out of the clouds and take responsibility for your own life.
imaginary baggage. No political agenda. No evil. Maybe a social philosophy, a democratic moral code, ...
Religion should be replaced with a democratic social philosophy.
What should we do and not do in order to get along with our fellow man? And other creatures, and
other living things, and the world that we live on, and the nearby heavenly bodies.
What we need is a universal ethic that applies to every human and that pertains to all human
intercourse - personal, social, civil, professional, commercial, political, and maybe even animal,
botanical, geological, hydrological, ecological, and cosmological.
Peace on earth and goodwill to all mankind.
We are all cousins. Literally. And we should treat each other that way. But dont ask me to loan you
any money.
Re sacred embryos not being used for stem cells - Bush 2 and his Christian backers are imposing
their opinion (guess) as to what God wants, on all of the people of the USA. So, not only is this just
an opinion but it is a religious belief, and they are imposing this religious belief on the whole
country. I thought we had freedom of religion. Well, I don't want to accept his religion or any of his
stupid religious opinions!
Why is it stupid, I'll tell you why -
vast majority of the scientists. Gene mutation together with the Natural Selection theory is the
principle explanation of the evolutionary process, and that is also widely accepted by the scientists.
But for creation dogma and the "intelligent design" theory, there is no evidence. They are religious
beliefs that have to be taken on faith. Their major proponents are religious fundamentalists.
Scientists say that they have nothing to do with science. Therefore, they have no place in our public
schools; they should be taught in church.
(Stupid Bush 2 wants the schools to teach them as an alternative to science. Can you imagine that?)
When it comes to confronting science, the church (and Bush 2) has been wrong about 100% of the
time. See Evolution History - Man
The Intelligent Design guys have it all wrong. They say that the fact that life is so complex, is
proof that there must be an intelligent designer. No, no, no. Its just the opposite! Since life is so
complex, there must not have been an intelligent designer. If there were an intelligent designer life
would be much more simple and less diverse. (Why do we need numerous different shapes for an
ear? or a nose? etc. One well designed ear should do for everyone.) Complexity and diversity come
from the random nature of gene mutation and the natural selection process of evolution.
Banning abortion is a religious issue not a political issue. Men should not have the right to vote
on women's abortions! Keep religion out of politics.
A women owns her body, not the government, not the church, and not any man.
The right to die, i.e. death with dignity, is a common sense human rights issue. The suppression of
that right is a religious issue, not a political issue. Make suicide and doctor assisted suicide a sin if
you want, but not a crime. Legalize doctor assisted suicide! Not just for sick people but for old
people too. Old people need all the help they can get.
The state does not own me. I own me.
Should we provide public financial support for religious primary and high schools? Yes, so long as
the school is sufficiently accredited. I think that violence-free private schools (and charter schools?),
that can permanently expel disruptive kids, are an important element in getting people out of
ghettos. Maybe the government should provide "private" schools in ghettos. See Political Notes - 2
under Education, and see Political Notes - 1 under Discrimination.
The meek shall inherit the earth. Geeks are meek.
This is a biggie, a big, BIG biggie!
Lord save us from religion.
We need freedom of religion and freedom from religion.
Keep religion out of government! Totally! Absolutely!
Separation of the church and the state.…..
Render unto Caesar….
People should get their religion from the church of their choice, not their government, not their
political party, and not their public schools. And not their civil calendar.
Religion is a personal thing. Let each person be free to choose whatever religion they think is right
for them, just as long as they and their church do not infringe upon the rights of anyone else.
No one has the right to impose their religious beliefs, customs, or habits on anyone
else!!! Or from the positive point of view - Everyone has the right to be totally free from
religious impositions!!!
Take note Republicans!! Take note Christian fundamentalists! Take note Muslim fundamentalists!
Jewish fundamentalists too! And calendar reformers!
From the beginning:
Freedom of religion is a basic human right.
Freedom of religion requires freedom from religion.
Freedom from religion requires separation of the church and the state.
Freedom of religion means that you are free to choose what you want to believe and what you do
not want to believe. No one else, no preacher, no rabbi, nor ayatollah, can tell you what you must
believe or not believe, or what you must do or not do, based on their religion. In other words, in
order to have freedom of religion you must also have freedom from religion, even from your own
religion. Therefore, freedom from religion is also a basic human right.
Everyone has the right to be totally free from religious impositions.!!!
In order to have freedom from religion, there must be separation of the church and the state. This is
just a statement of the obvious but it needs to be stated because some people are oblivious to the
obvious. Therefore, separation of the church and the state is also a basic human right!
No government has the right to impose religion on anyone, or to deny anyone of
any of their other UN mandated human rights!!!
See: http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html for a list of UN human rights.
Also see: http://www.hrweb.org/legal/undocs.html
For the U.S. Constitution and it's Amendments see: www.usconstitution.net/const.html
And, unless the state can accommodate everyone's religious opinions, including Atheist's, Muslim's,
and Pagan's, then it should cater to none. In other words, the state governing process
should be completely devoid of religious considerations!!!
Let all of the churches conform to the laws of the state, not vice versa. Churches must render unto
Caesar...
Also, all of the clergy and all of the congregations of all of the churches must conform to the laws of
the state.
"Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's." What
this means for clergy and congregations is, God may own your soul but your body belongs to
Caesar, and your body better do whatever Caesar says.
The state takes precedence over God and church as long as you are alive.
Separation of the church and the state requires that -
Churches and their clergy** must not have any civil authority whatsoever. (Well,
maybe weddings are OK.)
Churches and their clergy**:
- Must be barred from government, both elected and appointed**.
- Must be barred from preaching politics.
- Must be barred from making political contributions.
- Must obey all civil laws.
- Must not deny anyone of their human rights especially freedom of religion, freedom of speech,
and the equality of women. - Must not inflict violence on anyone. Ever.
- Must not sanction the mutilation of women.
- Must not have religious police or religious vigilantes.
- Must not have armed forces - militia, terrorists, death squads, assassins...
- Must not sanction holy wars, terrorism, holy murders, or any other religious violence.
Clergy who preach civil disobedience should be fined or arrested.
Clergy who preach, aid or abet terrorism should be arrested for terrorism.
Clergy who espouse holy murders, holy wars or any other church violence, should be arrested.
Churches that preach or condone religious violence should be banned!
- ** No one can serve two masters at the same time! If a cleric wants to serve in the state
government then he should have to resign from serving in the church government (ie quit the
ministry) and vacate all vows of obedience and loyalty thereto. ( Likewise, they should not be a
citizen of any other state.) They must do what is best for the state rather than what is best for
the church. (We should enact a federal law that says this!)
Talk about your human rights, freedom from religion should be right up there near the top, right after
slavery.
Religious freedom is a basic human right and separation of the church and the state is required for
that freedom to exist. The United States should champion that human right and, therefore,
the worldwide separation of the church and the state.
We should start off by amending our own constitution to explicitly require the separation of the
church and the state.
There will never be world peace without first having worldwide religious freedom
and separation of the church and the state!!!
Given all of the above, we should continue to remove religion from our politics, our government, and
our schools, ie:
- Ban all churches and all clergy from politics and government, both elected and appointed,
- Ban both from making political contributions,
- Ban religious considerations from all government processes (including the reform of the civil
calendar) in all government entities. - Remove all religious artifacts from government - bibles, crosses, all-seeing eyes, Masonry
symbols, religious slogans... - Ban religion from public schools, including school prayers, intelligent design theory, and the
biblical creation myth.
If you want to keep school prayer, then you have to accommodate everyone's religious point of view,
including atheists, Muslims, Pagans... Its either that or you must declare a state religion.
- (For Christ's sake don't make it Christianity with their history of intellectual suppression,
especially science, suppression of women, censorship, book burning, witch burning, heretic
burning, the inquisition, torture, religious wars, atrocities, ... Religious violence is
religious evil. And it is despicable.)
worship?
Everyone has the right to believe in the god of their choice, but no one has the right to impose their
religious beliefs, customs or habits on anyone else.
No church has the right to inflict violence on anyone.
And no church has the right to deny anyone of their basic human rights, including their own clerics
and parishioners.
Separate all churches from the state!
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Re Muslims:
Talking about church evils, "holy war" has to be the mother of all oxymorons. The same for
"religious terrorism", "religious assassinations", or any other religious violence.
It wasn't nice when the Christians were doing it, and it certainly is not nice now when the Islamics still
do it.
There must be many good Muslims, right? But how come they are not vocal and actively
condemning Muslim suicide bombers and other Muslim terrorists who are killing innocent men,
women and children, in the name of Allah? Why are they not condemning:
- Ben Laden? 9/11/01? militant clerics? the suppression of women?**, the mutilation of women?
the disregard of human rights? religious police? church armed forces? church sanctioned
murders (like Salmon Rushdie's death warrant fatwa)? church death squads? church wars
(jihads)?
- (** The treatment of Muslim women is pathetic, driving some to self-immolation. Google
Muslim self immolation. Also note: "The Saudi judiciary on Tuesday defended a court
verdict that sentenced a 19-year-old victim of a gang rape to six months in jail and 200
lashes because she was with an unrelated male when they were attacked." 11/21/07
Also note: "Religious vigilantes have killed at least 40 women this year in the southern
Iraqi city of Basra because of how they dressed, their mutilated bodies were found with
notes warning against "violating Islamic teachings," the police chief said Sunday." 12/9/07)
existence, otherwise we are left to conclude that there are no good Muslims, that all Muslims are
intolerant, violent, fanatics that threaten our freedom of religion, our democracy and our very
existence, and, therefore, need to be suppressed or at least contained.
Are they afraid to speak up? That would be truly sad. (But I think it might be true.)
Please speak up, loud and clear and often.
Does the Koran preach violence? Yes, it does, mostly in the newer portions of the Koran. Google
Koran violence.
Are all infidels prey for Moslems? Yes, we are. The Koran directs Muslims to seek out infidels and
either convert us to Islam, or enslave and abuse us, or kill us! Google Koran violence.
Is Allah an evil god? A violent god is an evil god.
It is important to note that foreign language Korans, ie those not written in Arabic, often omit any
mention of violence. This fact is cited among the Google listings for "Koran violence".
Are all Muslims our enemy? No, I don't think so, but how can you tell a good Muslim from a bad
Muslim? They both look similar. They both go to the same church. They don't wear uniforms.
They don't wear badges.
- (A Good Muslim is here defined as one who decries church violence and believes in all of the
human rights defined by the UN, especially freedom of religion (including the separation of the
church and the state), freedom of speech, and equal rights for women. A Bad Muslim is just the
opposite - he supports or at least condones church violence and denies human rights. A Bad
Muslim is a fundamentalist, an extremist, an intolerant fanatic, and a terrorist, weather active or
not.)
and most especially from the Bad Muslims. They should not let themselves be mistaken for Bad
Muslims. But you know, I don't think they can quit Islam without violating the Koran and provoking
the wrath of the Bad Muslims, with very dire consequences. Same for speaking up against the
Koran or Islam. Oh hell, it's an impossible problem to solve without more violence. Maybe if they
work for reform from within Islam... But how can you propose fixing the Koran or Islam without first
saying that it is flawed and needs fixing??? If you badmouth either the Koran or Islam, its off with
your head. If you disavow Islam and join another church, its off with your head. You can't even
become an atheist without loosing your head.
All of the Good Muslims should get together and start a church reform movement
(or a schism), a reformation that denounces and forbids all religious violence, and
that affirms all of the UN human rights, especially freedom of speech and religion,
the separation of the church and the state, and the emancipation of women.
- (Don't hold your breath waiting for this to happen. I don't think the Good Muslims are capable
of effecting reformation - the Bad Muslims wont let them. The best they can do is start their own
new, nonviolent, pro human rights version of Islam, with a revised Koran, probably in a non
Muslim country, and hope it spreads to Muslim countries.
- But, to revise the Koran is to denounce Mohammed, for misrepresenting God's intentions.
That will be a bitter pill for the fundamentalists to swallow. The Bad Muslims will be irate
and react violently, as Mohammed has directed. Their reluctance to ban religious violence
may well be the single biggest impediment to world peace. It may make an all-out holy war
inevitable - Islam against the rest of the world. And what other choice do we have?
Surrender? Muslims must ban religious violence!!!
- I think religious Good Muslims will have to quit Islam and either join some other church or start
a completely new religion that does not use the Koran.)
violence in all of its forms, and endorse all of the UN specified human rights, especially the
separation of the church and the state, i.e. the churches should -
Ban all clerics from politics and government.
All churches should do this, especially Islam, formally, at media events so that the whole world will
know.
Bad Muslims say: "If you don't believe in my God, I will kill you." (The ultimate religious imposition.)
Violence for the sake of God is both ludicrous and obnoxious. I'm sure God would agree...
Religious violence is the opposite of what a kind, loving, benevolent god would want.
Violence for the sake of an imaginary god is even more ludicrous and more obnoxious.
A violent church is an evil church. A violent god is an evil god.
Religious violence, in the name of God, is abhorrent.
Church or state controlled religious violence is worse.
Muslim law, Sharia, includes draconian religious violence. Google Sharia.
Violent religious punishment should occur only in Hell, not here on earth. Here on earth, only the
state should have the authority to execute murderers and traitors, and there should be no corporal
punishment for any other crime - no amputations, no stoning, no whipping, no torture.
Religious violence must be eliminated! Totally! Forever!
All churches should condemn religious violence!
All states should condemn religious violence and any church that allows it!
There can never be world peace without separation of the church and the state!
There must be worldwide separation of the church and the state!
Bad Muslims are the sworn enemies of infidels (all non Muslims). They are required to either
convert us to Islam, enslave and abuse us (including rape), or kill us.
You probably don't know it, but we are in the middle of World War 3 right now - the Bad Muslims
against the rest of the world.
They are headed for world domination.
They present a clear and present danger.
They gain control of some governments by armed rebellion.
They gain control of some democratic governments through democratic processes and then take it
over. They declare Islam as the state religion. They replace the constitution with Islamic law. They
deny religious freedom, and they enslave the women. They take a democratic state and
transmogrify it into a Muslim state complete with all of its attendant religious violence and disregard
of human rights.
We, the civilized countries of the world, need a dialogue among ourselves to become aware of the
threat and to plan and execute a course of action.
We need a dialogue with the Muslims to make them aware of the need for change and to encourage
them along that line.
Muslims must reform Islam and all Muslim states:
- Condemn and forbid all religious violence.
- Eliminate Muslim terrorism.
- Eliminate church: assassins, militias, police, death squads, vigilantes, holy wars, ...
- Disarm all clerics, militias and mosques.
- Endorse all UN human rights:
- Emancipate all women.
- Grant freedom of speech to all.
- Grant religious freedom to all.
- Separate the church and the state.
- Ban all clerics from politics and government.
- Revise the Koran to eliminate all religious violence, and condemn and forbid all prior editions.
We must urge all nations and all churches to effect separation of the church and the state.
Maybe we should have all immigrants and all visitors to the USA sign an oath swearing that they are
not “Bad Muslims”, that they are opposed to all religious violence and they support all UN human
rights.
Maybe we should have all Muslim church leaders do the same.
Maybe we should have all Muslim residents do the same.
Maybe we should ban Islam until the Koran is revised to ban all religious violence.
We must also stop Iran from getting weapons of mass destruction – right now, without delay. If Iran
gets nuclear weapons, then the Muslim terrorists will get nuclear weapons! If they do, then the US
will be the victim of their first or second atomic bomb.
Also, if Al Qaida or some other radical Muslim group gets control of Pakistan and its nuclear bombs,
then they will give A-bombs to the terrorists, and we will be bombed.
2,973 people were killed on 9/11/01, but
if the Bad Muslims ever get nuclear weapons ...
- A suitcase A-bomb of 1 kiloton has a prompt-kill area of 1 square mile. Our big cities have
population densities of 12,000 to 25,000 people per square mile. The Hiroshima bomb was 13
kilotons. A typical A-bomb today has a yield of 1 to 10 Megatons.
get nuclear weapons!
Wake up America! Wake up Europe! Wake up world!
Bad Muslims are indeed mortal enemies of us all !!!
We must join together and eliminate the Bad Muslims!
We have to either eliminate them or at least contain them, or they will
eventually kill us!!! Or enslave us in their religion.
Either we fight them or we will have to become Muslims and give up our democracy, our human
rights, our religious freedom, allow our daughters to become mutilated slaves, memorize the Koran at
mind numbing madrases, and bow down to Mecca 5 times a day.
Perhaps its time to start thinking about global disarmament of all weapons of mass destruction -
nuclear, biological, chemical, whatever. It would take the agreement of all major powers. It would
take international inspection teams with unlimited access to all nations territory, including their
government facilities, and their military facilities. Civilian facilities too? Yes, it would violate some
peoples privacy; life is not perfect. Some loss of privacy versus weapons of mass destruction - you
decide. An open door policy like the above would do immense good for all people of all nations.
Dare to think... What would it take? How could it be made to work? How could it be made to
happen?
Islamic reformation!
All UN human rights for everyone!
Equal rights for all women everywhere!
Freedom of speech for everyone!
Religious freedom for everyone!
Separation of the church and the state everywhere!
Elimination of Muslim terrorists!
Elimination of all religious violence!
Elimination of all weapons of mass destruction!
World wide!
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Re God:
Does God exist? Is He alive today?
God is invisible. And deaf, dumb, blind, and/or indifferent too. Maybe he / she / they / it doesn't
even exist. Who knows?? How can you tell??
God exists only in the mind of man. His existence is not detectable anywhere
else. Ergo, God is imaginary. He is not real. Imaginary. Literally imaginary. He is a figment of
man's imagination.
"You must believe this or you will go to hell."
To be real he must be physically detectable. If he is undetectable then he is not real. If he is not
real then he must be imaginary. Thats it. That is the total sum of all possibilities. There are no
other possibilities (except imaginary ones).
Suspicions, theories, and all things supernatural, are imaginary things. Real things need evidential
proof.
Real things have a physical presence. Somewhere.
God is imaginary !!!!!!!
All gods are imaginary!
All of the supernatural is imaginary!
Man must have an explanation for everything, and in the absence of factual knowledge, he will fill
the void with imagination: gods (sun, rain, thunder, fire, wind, sea, father, mother, etc.), creation
myths (6 days to create an earth-centric universe and a human species without progenitors, etc), etc.
The gods were invented by man (while sitting around a camp fire).
The religions were invented by man (while sitting around a camp fire).
Buddha (Siddhartha Gautama) was a man.
Hinduism grew out of the folk lore of man.
The patriarchs and founders of Judaism were all men.
The Old Testament was written by "Imaginary-God inspired" men.
The commandments were carved in stone by a man! (Imaginary beings can not carve stones. Ergo,
Moses was a mason, and a liar.)
Jesus was a mortal man. (And allegedly the bastard son of God.) (But there is only one God?)
The New Testament was written by "imaginary-God inspired" men, long after the death of Jesus, but
later revised, and some gospels were even expunged, by "Imaginary-God inspired" men. The
Imaginary God should make up his mind. (Why didn't Jesus write the bible?)
The Koran was written by Mohammed.
Mohammed was a man.
The operative word here is man.
The things that you ascribe to God were told to you by man or your own imagination.
The existence of God is a matter of opinion, not fact, and your opinion is just as valid as anyone
else's, including all of the clergy of all of the churches in all of the world. Don't let anyone tell you
what to think about God. Nobody knows God. All anyone can tell you is what they think about
God. Do your own thinking. (Thats why God gave you intelligence.)
The only people who have any chance of ever finding out anything about God are the scientists, as
they are the only ones who study the works of God. Clergy just study the works of man, like the
Bible.
The bible is not a reliable source of information. (Especially about creation and evolution.)
Dreams are not a reliable source of information.
Altered states of consciousness and hallucinations are not reliable sources of information.
Information acquired by the scientific method is much more reliable.
Faith is belief in something for which there is no evidence, something unprovable.
Faith is not knowledge. Faith is not fact. Faith is not truth. Faith is nothing but unsubstantiated
belief (suspicion, superstition, assumption, guess, theory, tradition, ...).
Faith requires gullibility. And when it comes to religion, then skepticism, doubt, logic, reason,
investigation, examination, and experimentation are all anathemas.
Superstition and the supernatural go hand in hand.
The entire length and breath of the supernatural is a construction of human imagination -
- gods, angles, devils, demons, heaven, hell, purgatory, miracles, immaculate conceptions,
resurrections, holy trinities, omnipotence, infallibility, invisibility, all knowing, all seeing, souls,
spirits, spooks, ghosts, ghouls, vampires, werewolves, witches, wizards, goblins, zombies,
boogie men, elves, sprites, fairies, gnomes, ogres, trolls, Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy, all of
the pagan deities, much of folklore and myths, ...
Do you ever wonder why God doesn't make appearances? Its because he is imaginary!
Do you ever wonder why God doesn't answer your prayers? Its because he is imaginary!
Do you ever wonder why God is indifferent to mankind? Its because he is imaginary!
Do you ever wonder why God did not smite Hitler? Or Genghis Khan? Or ... IBHII!
Do you ever wonder why God doesn't beat up Allah? Its because they are both imaginary!
"You must believe in my imaginary god and his imaginary angles or else your
imaginary soul will go to the imaginary hell to be tormented by the imaginary devil
and his imaginary demons."
Where did God come from? How did he come to exist?
Is he made of atoms? Does he breath air? drink water? eat? sleep? etcetera?
Does he have family and friends? And enemies?
Where does he live? Which one of the 125 billion galaxies? Which one of the 25 thousand billion
billion star systems? Which one of the 100 thousand billion billion planets? Does he live here on
the surface of the earth? (What ZIP code?) Does he live in the sky, in a stealth heaven that is in
orbit around earth? Or does he live in some imaginary place?
Does he obey the laws of physics, or is he unreal?
How does he get around in the universe? Can he exceed the speed of light? (Our galaxy's diameter
is 100 thousand light years wide; our universe is billions of light years wide!)
Maybe there is more than one god, say one for each star system, or each galaxy? (There are 200
billion stars in our galaxy and 125 billion galaxies in our universe.)
Why did he create all those extra stars, and galaxies? All we need is one sun with one planet, Earth,
that has an orbital period of exactly 364 days, and one moon that has an orbital period of exactly 28
days.
How is he able to create space, time, matter, energy? Where did all this stuff come from?
Why does he exist? What is his purpose in life? And what for? Who told him to do that? Why?
And where did his creators come from? How...? When...? Why...?
Etc., etc. ad infinitum.
Some questions are unanswerable. Ever. (That happens a lot when you ask questions
about imaginary things.)
And God can't help you. Remember, either he is an imaginary man or a quasi-real man who is
invisible, deaf and dumb. The only thing you can do is use your imagination and invent your own
answers, which is how the whole thing about God and religion got started in the first place.
God is imaginary.
So, if our imaginary gods did not create the universe, who or what did?
Nobody knows. I dont know. You dont know. None of our scientists know. None of our preachers
know, despite what they say. Certainly imaginary gods do not know.
We will probably never know. Thats the way it is. Deal with it.
Lets just say it was the "Source". A thing or things of unknown origin, residence, and nature. Some
thing beyond our comprehension. Possibly an amoral and indifferent thing (obviously male).
Maybe we should form a club to honor the Source? The Club of the Source. We must retain
ecclesiastic organ music and choirs (they make people feel good). And the ethereal monumental
architecture too (for our clubhouses)? But no "Book of the Source"!!! Shall we have an icon? How
about a flying sourcer?
To join the club, send your money to me, the Grand Sourcerer.
- (Dont get carried away with the Source. It is still an imaginary thing.)
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Re Religion:
imaginary god ever wrote "The Book" on his religion. Religion is strictly a man thing. Prophets,
priests, apostles, witch-doctors, etc., invented and organized the religions and wrote the books.
Organized religion is just the packaged codification and ritualization of the inventions (lies?) of some
ancient men.
Where did we come from? Why are we here? What is our purpose in life? What happens to us
when we die? Man invented god and religion to answer these unanswerable questions.
But God is imaginary. So then, religion is irrational, and irrelevant!
Worshiping an invisible man is irrational.
Believing in supernatural beings is irrational.
Putting your faith in an imaginary being is irrational.
Blindly believing what is written in a book is irrational.
Religion is like a house of cards built on a foundation of belief that god is real. If god is not real then
all of those cards come tumbling down. God is imaginary.
Religion is a form of insanity where people think irrationally and act accordingly, like:
- The Charles Manson clan, Waco, Jonestown, the Ku Klux Klan, Muslim terrorists, Christian
crusaders, worshiping invisible gods, witch burning, heretic burning, human sacrifice, holy
wars, ...
- ("Sudan - A British teacher went on trial Thursday on charges of inciting religious hatred
by letting her students name a teddy bear Muhammad [a common name among Muslim
men, who are not lashed or jailed], a crime punishable by up to 40 lashes and six months
in jail." Is that rational? 11/29/07)
down right evil.
Religious violence is religious evil.
Religious insanity is the source of religious evil.
The Catholic and Islamic religions are among the most evil human institutions the world has ever
known. The Catholics have now stopped doing evil, but the Islamics are still hard at it. Islam now
stands alone as the worlds most violent religion.
to believe and they do what the priests and the "Book" tell them to do. And they have no influence
over what the priests or the "Book" says. They must believe and obey them or their imaginary souls
will go to the imaginary Hell.
Muslim states hold all their citizens in religious slavery - they do not allow religious freedom. The
Muslim people must do what the Koran and the clerics tell them to do or else they might be
punished, possibly severally.
Monotheism has given rise to religious intolerance and violent conflicts.
Paganism was much more benign (except for a few human sacrifices).
Its not religion, its just common sense. No rituals, no mumbo jumbo, no imaginary baggage, no evil.
Religion is a man made crock.
In conclusion:
God exists only in the mind of man. Therefore God is imaginary. Therefore religion is irrelevant.
Imaginary gods are the result of self-deception. We should not do that to ourselves. We should
demand irrefutable physical evidence of our gods existence, their residence, and their powers,
before committing our belief in them. We should demand, or maybe respectfully request, that they
write their own bibles, in a clear, lucid and unambiguous language, instead of us accepting the
confusing, self contradicting muddled parables and fables of some "imaginary-god inspired" men.
We should differentiate between the real and the imaginary. Accept the real for what it is. Reject
the imaginary for what it is not (it is not real).
Accept the responsibility for writing our own codes of law, morals and manners. (We don't need an
"imaginary-god inspired" church cleric to do that for us.)
And accept the fact that we do not have all the answers and probably never will.
An imaginary god is not a meaningful answer to anything at all.
Imaginary gods and irrational churches are a part of the problem (like Muslim terrorists), not the
solution.
Pull your head out of the clouds and take responsibility for your own life.
imaginary baggage. No political agenda. No evil. Maybe a social philosophy, a democratic moral code, ...
Religion should be replaced with a democratic social philosophy.
What should we do and not do in order to get along with our fellow man? And other creatures, and
other living things, and the world that we live on, and the nearby heavenly bodies.
What we need is a universal ethic that applies to every human and that pertains to all human
intercourse - personal, social, civil, professional, commercial, political, and maybe even animal,
botanical, geological, hydrological, ecological, and cosmological.
Peace on earth and goodwill to all mankind.
We are all cousins. Literally. And we should treat each other that way. But dont ask me to loan you
any money.
Re sacred embryos not being used for stem cells - Bush 2 and his Christian backers are imposing
their opinion (guess) as to what God wants, on all of the people of the USA. So, not only is this just
an opinion but it is a religious belief, and they are imposing this religious belief on the whole
country. I thought we had freedom of religion. Well, I don't want to accept his religion or any of his
stupid religious opinions!
Why is it stupid, I'll tell you why -
- Bush 2 is telling us that embryos are sacred, that they have souls. How does he know this?
Has he been talking with God, again? - Embryos are far from being human. They are still back at the starting form of human evolution.
They are closer to being amoebas or metazoa than humans. It takes 9 more months to make a
human. - He wants to "save" unwanted embryos from being used for stem cell research, for what, so they
can be used to create life? No, he is not saving embryos so that they can be used to create
life, they are just going to be thrown away (killed). - Bush 2 doesn't want scientist to kill embryos, but that is exactly what he is doing, causing the
death of "sacred" embryos - death by discardation. How disrespectful of sanctity... - He wants to throw away "sacred" embryos to thwart those "nasty" scientists from finding cures
to mankind's illnesses. - If embryos are sacred, shouldn't the discarded ones be buried in hallowed ground?
- What hallowed ground? I mean, what religion are they?
- What about atheist embryos? Why can't they be used for stem cells?
- Before burial, should the sacred embryos be killed first or buried alive?
- How should they be killed? (By making stem cells?)
- By whom, clergy or civil servant (or scientist)?
- Maybe all of the unused embryos should be turned over to the church for reverential disposal.
But which church? What is the state religion? - Why don't we just make the nasty scientists say 3 Hail Marys and 1 Our Father. That should
suffice.
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vast majority of the scientists. Gene mutation together with the Natural Selection theory is the
principle explanation of the evolutionary process, and that is also widely accepted by the scientists.
But for creation dogma and the "intelligent design" theory, there is no evidence. They are religious
beliefs that have to be taken on faith. Their major proponents are religious fundamentalists.
Scientists say that they have nothing to do with science. Therefore, they have no place in our public
schools; they should be taught in church.
(Stupid Bush 2 wants the schools to teach them as an alternative to science. Can you imagine that?)
When it comes to confronting science, the church (and Bush 2) has been wrong about 100% of the
time. See Evolution History - Man
The Intelligent Design guys have it all wrong. They say that the fact that life is so complex, is
proof that there must be an intelligent designer. No, no, no. Its just the opposite! Since life is so
complex, there must not have been an intelligent designer. If there were an intelligent designer life
would be much more simple and less diverse. (Why do we need numerous different shapes for an
ear? or a nose? etc. One well designed ear should do for everyone.) Complexity and diversity come
from the random nature of gene mutation and the natural selection process of evolution.
Banning abortion is a religious issue not a political issue. Men should not have the right to vote
on women's abortions! Keep religion out of politics.
A women owns her body, not the government, not the church, and not any man.
The right to die, i.e. death with dignity, is a common sense human rights issue. The suppression of
that right is a religious issue, not a political issue. Make suicide and doctor assisted suicide a sin if
you want, but not a crime. Legalize doctor assisted suicide! Not just for sick people but for old
people too. Old people need all the help they can get.
The state does not own me. I own me.
Should we provide public financial support for religious primary and high schools? Yes, so long as
the school is sufficiently accredited. I think that violence-free private schools (and charter schools?),
that can permanently expel disruptive kids, are an important element in getting people out of
ghettos. Maybe the government should provide "private" schools in ghettos. See Political Notes - 2
under Education, and see Political Notes - 1 under Discrimination.
The meek shall inherit the earth. Geeks are meek.
Originated in 1989.
Last amended:
2010-2-21
Last amended:
2010-2-21
